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Quick Tips for Luring

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	== Quick Tips for Luring ==		== Quick Tips for Luring ==
	# Place your pet's icon on your hotkey bar for easier pulling. You will no longer need to have the Pet Bag open, which takes a lot of space on your screen. It will ~~will~~ faster and easier to summon and/or stow your pet and thus you can time your luring better.		# Place your pet's icon on your hotkey bar for easier pulling. You will no longer need to have the Pet Bag open, which takes a lot of space on your screen. It will be faster and easier to summon and/or stow your pet and thus you can time your luring better.
	# Learn your pet's animation. That will help you a lot with your timing and thus the pet will avoid being hit.		# Learn your pet's animation. That will help you a lot with your timing and thus the pet will avoid being hit.
	# If your pet is using a skill, ~~then if~~ your pet is out of sight, you can watch the ~~pets~~ skill bar to see when the skill goes into cool-down, meaning they have used it, and can now be unsummoned. If not, you can watch the monsters hitpoint bar (or see a debuff icon appear). ~~These mean~~ your pet will probably take a hit before you can unsummon it, however.		# If your pet is using a skill, and your pet is out of sight, you can watch the pet's skill bar to see when the skill goes into cool-down, meaning they have used it, and can now be unsummoned. If not, you can watch the monsters hitpoint bar (or see a debuff icon appear). In which case your pet will probably take a hit before you can unsummon it, however.
	# One hit that does damage on the monster is enough. There is no reason to wait for your pet to deal more damage.		# One hit that does damage on the monster is enough. There is no reason to wait for your pet to deal more damage.
	# If you have time to use debuffs during a pull, some recommended ones are: Slow, Threaten, Pounce. Keep in mind that debuffs do '''not''' count as hits.		# If you have time to use debuffs during a pull, some recommended ones are: Slow, Threaten, Pounce. Keep in mind that debuffs do '''not''' count as hits.
	# Make sure your pet is set on '''Manual''' to avoid random aggro if the monsters have AoE.		# Make sure your pet is set on '''Manual''' to avoid random aggro if the monsters have AoE.
	# Every pet can lure but fast or ranged pets will be more effective. Besides, a squad will get bored if they have to wait after your slowpoke Glacial Walker. To make your luring even faster you can disable your pet's skill and use Alt+1 to make it attack. Keep in mind that this may make it harder for you to time your stowing, so experiment with it before using it regularly.		# Every pet can lure but fast or ranged pets will be more effective. Besides, a squad will get bored if they have to wait after your slowpoke Glacial Walker. To make your luring even faster, you can disable your pet's skill and use Alt+1 to make it attack. Keep in mind that this may make it harder for you to time your stowing, so experiment with it before using it regularly.
	# Always pull the melee monster(s) first. Ranged ones will try to run away and might cause the pet to aggro unwanted monsters.		# Always pull the melee monster(s) first. Ranged ones will try to run away and might cause the pet to aggro unwanted monsters.
	# If you can't see your pet as it's pulling and you suspect that it might be getting hit with immobilize or stun before it reaches it's target, you can change your target from the boss or mob that you are trying to pull to your pet (click on it's picture next the hp bar). Your pet will still go after what you initially told it to hit, but you may be able to get a little more insight as to what's going on in the pull. Watch your pet's skill bar to see when skills trigger and/or the minimap to see where your pet stops moving and starts attacking to know when to unsummon. When the pet is unsummoned, it will disappear from the map and can't be targeted. The boss should aggro on you, automatically switching your target to the boss, indicating that your pull was successful so far.		# If you can't see your pet as it's pulling and you suspect that it might be getting hit with immobilize or stun before it reaches it's target, you can change your target from the boss or mob that you are trying to pull to your pet (click on it's picture next the hp bar). Your pet will still go after what you initially told it to hit, but you may be able to get a little more insight as to what's going on in the pull. Watch your pet's skill bar to see when skills trigger and/or the minimap to see where your pet stops moving and starts attacking to know when to unsummon. When the pet is unsummoned, it will disappear from the map and can't be targeted. The boss should aggro on you, automatically switching your target to the boss, indicating that your pull was successful so far.

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2013-02-07T10:02:33Z

Things That Don't Work

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	For the same reason, default skills which take ages to activate are a bad thing.		For the same reason, default skills which take ages to activate are a bad thing.

	Don't use a slow pet to pull if you can help it. No only does it take longer, but it may well get hit by other monsters on the way to the one you want.		Don't use a slow pet to pull if you can help it. Not only does it take longer, but it may well get hit by other monsters on the way to the one you want.

	Don't be flying (or standing ankle deep in water) when you pull land monsters - they will often refuse to come to you at all.		Don't be flying (or standing ankle deep in water) when you pull land monsters - they will often refuse to come to you at all.
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	Don't use an archer, or a wizard, or a genie to pull. They just aren't as good. Tame yourself a proper pet!		Don't use an archer, or a wizard, or a genie to pull. They just aren't as good. Tame yourself a proper pet!

	Don't use 'tame pet' to lure. This does actually work, in that it pulls a single monster. Its limitation is that it costs a lot of mana, doesn't have a huge range, takes even longer than a pet lure and has a gigantic cooldown. Oh, and the tame might succeed, though that does at least get the monster out of the way. (This is debatable. Tame Pet has a range of 25 meters, which is the same as Earthflame and where you need to be for most pet pulls. It takes longer and a good portion of mp, but you can have your pet out to catch while you're pulling and full energy on your genie. The cooldown is a pain, but if you rotate pulling methods, it doesn't become much of an issue. Also, using tame on a mob with 100% hp will always fail, even if you have level 10 tame.)		Don't use 'tame pet' to lure. This does actually work, in that it pulls a single monster. Its limitation is that it costs a lot of mana, doesn't have a huge range, takes even longer than a pet lure, and has a gigantic cooldown. Oh, and the tame might succeed, though that does at least get the monster out of the way. (This is debatable. Tame Pet has a range of 25 meters, which is the same as Earthflame and where you need to be for most pet pulls. It takes longer and a good portion of mp, but you can have your pet out to catch while you're pulling and full energy on your genie. The cooldown is a pain, but if you rotate pulling methods, it doesn't become much of an issue. Also, using tame on a mob with 100% hp will always fail, even if you have level 10 tame.)

	Don't Lure unless the rest of your group 'gets it'. Failing at this is possibly the most annoying thing in the world. If the rest of your group doesn't know what you are doing (and you did ''tell'' them, right?) then they are likely to get too close to the group of monsters and draw them all in.		Don't Lure unless the rest of your group 'gets it'. Failing at this is possibly the most annoying thing in the world. If the rest of your group doesn't know what you are doing (and you did ''tell'' them, right?) then they are likely to get too close to the group of monsters and draw them all in.

PWpedia>O69thdirection: /* Catching Monsters That Tend to Run Away */

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Catching Monsters That Tend to Run Away

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	First - Move up close to the monster you want to lure, with your pet in tow.		First - Move up close to the monster you want to lure, with your pet in tow.
	Second - Trigger 'Earthflame' and lure that monster.		Second - Trigger 'Earthflame' and lure that monster.
	~~Thirdly~~ - Start running away. Backpedal as fast as you can. Don't forget the summer sprint!		Third - Start running away. Backpedal as fast as you can. Don't forget the summer sprint!
	Fourth - You may need to hit 'halt' if your pet has a high movement speed or is not using a skill.		Fourth - You may need to hit 'halt' if your pet has a high movement speed or is not using a skill.
	Fifth - The monster will follow you, and end up between you and your pet.		Fifth - The monster will follow you, and end up between you and your pet.
	Lastly - Tell your pet to attack, ~~and~~ it will catch the aggro, and drive the monster towards you and away from the others.		Lastly - Tell your pet to attack, it will catch the aggro, and drive the monster towards you and away from the others.

	Not often useful, but a neat trick that a pet-user can do that others cannot.		Not often useful, but a neat trick that a pet-user can do that others cannot.

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Catching Monsters That Tend to Run Away

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	==== Catching Monsters That Tend to Run Away ====		==== Catching Monsters That Tend to Run Away ====

	Certain ranged monsters enjoy running away from whatever is trying to tank them. This isn't much of a problem ~~with~~ a squad-mate is doing the catching, but when you have to do it it can be very difficult to get your pet into the right place to stop them running back into the other monsters.		Certain ranged monsters enjoy running away from whatever is trying to tank them. This isn't much of a problem when a squad-mate is doing the catching, but when you have to do it, it can be very difficult to get your pet into the right place to stop them running back into the other monsters.

	However, if you use a genie lure you can do this easily. The procedure is simple.		However, if you use a genie lure you can do this easily. The procedure is simple.

PWpedia>Vitenks: Undo revision 149231 by Gamer963 (talk) Revert swearing.

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Undo revision 149231 by Gamer963 (talk) Revert swearing.

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	'''Luring''', also called "pulling", is a form of [[aggro]] management, specific to the [[venomancer]] and [[mystic]] classes. Indeed, it is a major reason to have a venomancer or mystic in a group. (Although their sustained damage output doesn't hurt. Wait, it ''does'' hurt. Which is good. Oh, you ~~fucking~~ know what I mean.)		'''Luring''', also called "pulling", is a form of [[aggro]] management, specific to the [[venomancer]] and [[mystic]] classes. Indeed, it is a major reason to have a venomancer or mystic in a group. (Although their sustained damage output doesn't hurt. Wait, it ''does'' hurt. Which is good. Oh, you know what I mean.)

	This can be a bit tricky to get right, but done properly is a completely safe way to draw a single monster out of a crowd.		This can be a bit tricky to get right, but done properly is a completely safe way to draw a single monster out of a crowd.

PWpedia>Gamer963 at 23:40, 9 April 2012

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	'''Luring''', also called "pulling", is a form of [[aggro]] management, specific to the [[venomancer]] and [[mystic]] classes. Indeed, it is a major reason to have a venomancer or mystic in a group. (Although their sustained damage output doesn't hurt. Wait, it ''does'' hurt. Which is good. Oh, you know what I mean.)		'''Luring''', also called "pulling", is a form of [[aggro]] management, specific to the [[venomancer]] and [[mystic]] classes. Indeed, it is a major reason to have a venomancer or mystic in a group. (Although their sustained damage output doesn't hurt. Wait, it ''does'' hurt. Which is good. Oh, you fucking know what I mean.)

	This can be a bit tricky to get right, but done properly is a completely safe way to draw a single monster out of a crowd.		This can be a bit tricky to get right, but done properly is a completely safe way to draw a single monster out of a crowd.

PWpedia>Calorien: /* Mystic Luring */

2011-12-15T15:05:46Z

Mystic Luring

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	== Mystic Luring ==		== Mystic Luring ==

	Mystic luring is pretty similar, except that you do not have a way to directly unsummon a pet. Instead, you must summon a new pet, which will cause the old one to vanish.		Mystic luring is pretty similar, except that you do not have a way to directly unsummon a pet. Instead, you must summon a new pet, which will cause the old one to vanish, or allow the pet to die.

PWpedia>Flyingsoloist: /* Good Luring Pets */ Removed Kowlin & keeping aggro note. If you're pulling, aggro gets wiped from the pet as you stow. Having a high aggro skill won't do you a bit of good.

2011-06-07T18:14:04Z

Good Luring Pets: Removed Kowlin & keeping aggro note. If you're pulling, aggro gets wiped from the pet as you stow. Having a high aggro skill won't do you a bit of good.

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	* Eldergoth Sharpshooters / Marksmen and Cacti have a ranged attack, which gives them a special use in luring. I personally think this is overrated, however. They just can't survive if anything goes slightly wrong. Worth having up your sleeve though.		* Eldergoth Sharpshooters / Marksmen and Cacti have a ranged attack, which gives them a special use in luring. I personally think this is overrated, however. They just can't survive if anything goes slightly wrong. Worth having up your sleeve though.
	* The Shadou Cub (rare pet) has a fairly high movement speed and a good defense. Be careful using the 'pounce' skill though, since that takes a long time to channel.		* The Shadou Cub (rare pet) has a fairly high movement speed and a good defense. Be careful using the 'pounce' skill though, since that takes a long time to channel.
	* The Kowlin (rare pet) is the 'designed to be the best luring pet' pet. It is stupidly fast and has a level 4 Flesh Ream ~~(good damage and handy for keeping aggro)~~. There's some arguments about whether the Kowlin is 'worth' it, but none deny that is good. Best? That depends upon personal taste. Some prefer the ranged pets, and the Kowlin is pretty fragile. It's also not available until level 60.		* The Kowlin (rare pet) is the 'designed to be the best luring pet' pet. It is stupidly fast and has a level 4 Flesh Ream. There's some arguments about whether the Kowlin is 'worth' it, but none deny that is good. Best? That depends upon personal taste. Some prefer the ranged pets, and the Kowlin is pretty fragile. It's also not available until level 60.
	* You can even use a Glacial Walker or Magmite. They're slow, but nothing is likely to kill them on the way to their target. Not ideal lurers, but if you've run out of pet bag slots it can work.		* You can even use a Glacial Walker or Magmite. They're slow, but nothing is likely to kill them on the way to their target. Not ideal lurers, but if you've run out of pet bag slots it can work.

PWpedia>Flyingsoloist: /* Quick Tips for Luring */

2011-06-07T18:11:01Z

Quick Tips for Luring

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	# Every pet can lure but fast or ranged pets will be more effective. Besides, a squad will get bored if they have to wait after your slowpoke Glacial Walker. To make your luring even faster you can disable your pet's skill and use Alt+1 to make it attack. Keep in mind that this may make it harder for you to time your stowing, so experiment with it before using it regularly.		# Every pet can lure but fast or ranged pets will be more effective. Besides, a squad will get bored if they have to wait after your slowpoke Glacial Walker. To make your luring even faster you can disable your pet's skill and use Alt+1 to make it attack. Keep in mind that this may make it harder for you to time your stowing, so experiment with it before using it regularly.
	# Always pull the melee monster(s) first. Ranged ones will try to run away and might cause the pet to aggro unwanted monsters.		# Always pull the melee monster(s) first. Ranged ones will try to run away and might cause the pet to aggro unwanted monsters.
			# If you can't see your pet as it's pulling and you suspect that it might be getting hit with immobilize or stun before it reaches it's target, you can change your target from the boss or mob that you are trying to pull to your pet (click on it's picture next the hp bar). Your pet will still go after what you initially told it to hit, but you may be able to get a little more insight as to what's going on in the pull. Watch your pet's skill bar to see when skills trigger and/or the minimap to see where your pet stops moving and starts attacking to know when to unsummon. When the pet is unsummoned, it will disappear from the map and can't be targeted. The boss should aggro on you, automatically switching your target to the boss, indicating that your pull was successful so far.

	== Why Won't My Pet Attack? ==		== Why Won't My Pet Attack? ==

PWpedia>Flyingsoloist: /* Things That Don't Work */

2011-06-07T18:02:18Z

Things That Don't Work

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	Do '''not''' allow the cleric to heal you until the single monster is free and clear. If the cleric heals you while mobs are still attacking your lure-pet then the ''cleric'' will get aggro on the lot of them. This is a bad thing! They'll all come running - and go straight for the cleric. The cleric should either use the heal-over-time (iron heart blessing) ''before'' your pet goes in, or wait until the lure is mostly complete. Or not heal you at all, and trust in the tank to catch properly.		Do '''not''' allow the cleric to heal you until the single monster is free and clear. If the cleric heals you while mobs are still attacking your lure-pet then the ''cleric'' will get aggro on the lot of them. This is a bad thing! They'll all come running - and go straight for the cleric. The cleric should either use the heal-over-time (iron heart blessing) ''before'' your pet goes in, or wait until the lure is mostly complete. Or not heal you at all, and trust in the tank to catch properly.
	:Also, if they ''do'' heal you whilst only a single monster is coming - the monster will often go for the cleric instead of you. This is especially important with ranged mobs, it means that the cleric also needs to run back far behind the tank.		:Also, if they ''do'' heal you whilst only a single monster is coming - the monster will often go for the cleric instead of you. This is especially important with ranged mobs, it means that the cleric also needs to run back far behind the tank. The 79 Skill Wings of Protection doesn't generate any aggro, so it's safe for the cleric to throw that featherball on you while you're luring, but that is the one exception.

	Don't try to pull with the Herc. Not just because it's a pain to put the buffs back on, but because it has reflect. This will cause it to 'attack' every monster which does a physical attack on it. You'll pull the whole lot.		Don't try to pull with the Herc. Not just because it's a pain to put the buffs back on, but because it has reflect. This will cause it to 'attack' every monster which does a physical attack on it. You'll pull the whole lot.